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> <channel><title>Comments on: Should a believer really contribute to IRA&#8217;s, 401K&#8217;s or other retirement accounts?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/</link> <description>Proverbs 13:11 - &#34;...he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.&#34;</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:29:01 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: David Ray</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15407</link> <dc:creator>David Ray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15407</guid> <description>Many good comments here.  As some have said (in effect), scripture interprets scripture.  We cannot extract individual verses and use them standalone.  I believe scripture as a whole teaches us two things (among others)regarding this subject.  It is wise to use our God given abilities and circumstances to set aside and prepare for times of different abilities and circumstances.  AND, we are to trust in God and not our abilities and circumstances.
This last is a real problem.  We are constantly tempted to put our trust elsewhere than God.  And trusting anything besides God is idolatry.  We are very prone to pile up possessions and savings and investments so that we can feel safe and secure without having to trust in God.  We want to cling to that control and self-sufficiency.  Savings and investments become an idol.  Self becomes an idol.
Lesson? For me, it means to make a reasonable effort to be prudent and wise, setting aside some of today&#039;s plenty for a time of less fruitfulness.  And, not obsessing over market movements, techniques to squeeze more income.  If my sense of safety and security tracks the economy then maybe my trust is in my idols and not my (real) God.
So, there is not a black and white answer.  It is a reminder to constantly examine my heart, which is deceitful above all things, as to where my trust is and what my idols are.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many good comments here.  As some have said (in effect), scripture interprets scripture.  We cannot extract individual verses and use them standalone.  I believe scripture as a whole teaches us two things (among others)regarding this subject.  It is wise to use our God given abilities and circumstances to set aside and prepare for times of different abilities and circumstances.  AND, we are to trust in God and not our abilities and circumstances.</p><p>This last is a real problem.  We are constantly tempted to put our trust elsewhere than God.  And trusting anything besides God is idolatry.  We are very prone to pile up possessions and savings and investments so that we can feel safe and secure without having to trust in God.  We want to cling to that control and self-sufficiency.  Savings and investments become an idol.  Self becomes an idol.</p><p>Lesson? For me, it means to make a reasonable effort to be prudent and wise, setting aside some of today&#8217;s plenty for a time of less fruitfulness.  And, not obsessing over market movements, techniques to squeeze more income.  If my sense of safety and security tracks the economy then maybe my trust is in my idols and not my (real) God.</p><p>So, there is not a black and white answer.  It is a reminder to constantly examine my heart, which is deceitful above all things, as to where my trust is and what my idols are.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marcelino Dibbern</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15222</link> <dc:creator>Marcelino Dibbern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:55:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15222</guid> <description>Great information thanks for getting this out there for people like me to read.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information thanks for getting this out there for people like me to read.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Family Finance</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15142</link> <dc:creator>Family Finance</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:22:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15142</guid> <description>What came to mind when I read your article was the Widow&#039;s Mite (Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-4).  The widow gave all that she had while those richer than her gave a small portion of their wealth.
When I think of places like Haiti or Africa or any other country/society ravaged by natural disasters and poverty, savings for the future becomes almost an after thought.  The priority is for survival and staying alive one day at a time, which means giving all you have to the current situation.
If we were in their situation, would we be any different?
I think we as Americans being born into this country have been given much, we are comfortable, and we have security that a large percent of the world does not know about.  What does it mean for Christians?  Are we called to give it all away?
In a sense, yes.  Why should Christians in America be any different than Christians in Haiti?  Paul says as Christians, we are one body, we rejoice with those that rejoice, and we mourn with those that mourn (1 cor).
We are one body and being one body means we have to give up being &quot;independent&quot; to being &quot;interdependent.&quot;  What does that mean concerning 401k?  I think if you look at the early church, the Christians shared all they had.  Poor and rich shared, lazy were exhorted to work (1 thess), rich asked to share and not look down on poor (james).
Sure we save, but we also recognize that this money is not ours, our retirement money is not for me to spend on myself, it is God who gave it to us and God who requires it of us.  All money we have is God&#039;s money and we are to be stewards of it.  It is not about the 10% we give away every week that makes us faithful, it is the LARGE AMOUNT we spend on ourselves and not towards Kingdom Work that we need to repent of.  We have been given a great blessing being born in America... but that blessing requires faithfulness to be a blessing to others.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What came to mind when I read your article was the Widow&#8217;s Mite (Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-4).  The widow gave all that she had while those richer than her gave a small portion of their wealth.</p><p>When I think of places like Haiti or Africa or any other country/society ravaged by natural disasters and poverty, savings for the future becomes almost an after thought.  The priority is for survival and staying alive one day at a time, which means giving all you have to the current situation.</p><p>If we were in their situation, would we be any different?</p><p>I think we as Americans being born into this country have been given much, we are comfortable, and we have security that a large percent of the world does not know about.  What does it mean for Christians?  Are we called to give it all away?</p><p>In a sense, yes.  Why should Christians in America be any different than Christians in Haiti?  Paul says as Christians, we are one body, we rejoice with those that rejoice, and we mourn with those that mourn (1 cor).</p><p>We are one body and being one body means we have to give up being &#8220;independent&#8221; to being &#8220;interdependent.&#8221;  What does that mean concerning 401k?  I think if you look at the early church, the Christians shared all they had.  Poor and rich shared, lazy were exhorted to work (1 thess), rich asked to share and not look down on poor (james).</p><p>Sure we save, but we also recognize that this money is not ours, our retirement money is not for me to spend on myself, it is God who gave it to us and God who requires it of us.  All money we have is God&#8217;s money and we are to be stewards of it.  It is not about the 10% we give away every week that makes us faithful, it is the LARGE AMOUNT we spend on ourselves and not towards Kingdom Work that we need to repent of.  We have been given a great blessing being born in America&#8230; but that blessing requires faithfulness to be a blessing to others.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15112</link> <dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15112</guid> <description>Does the minister earn a salary?  If so, why? Perhaps he should consider the ravens of the field, and rely on god to feed him instead of earning an income.
This actually brings up another point most Christians rarely talk about - was Jesus rich?  His family received gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh which would have been very valuable.  As a carpenter, Joseph would most likely have more income than the normal subsistence farmer of the day.  And Judas carried the groups money - so they didn&#039;t just trust in God to provide for them wherever they went.  Jesus could have just performed a miracle to feed and clothe the disciples but apart from feeding the masses that is never mentioned.  And don&#039;t forget that Abraham, Lot, Joseph, and many other people in the bible who were favored of by God were very wealthy.
The advice of others here makes sense:  pray on it and LISTEN for an answer.  God talks to everyone, but it is up to us to listen.  What is right for one person may not be right for everyone else.  If we were all life-saving brain surgeons, who would fix the cars?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the minister earn a salary?  If so, why? Perhaps he should consider the ravens of the field, and rely on god to feed him instead of earning an income.</p><p>This actually brings up another point most Christians rarely talk about &#8211; was Jesus rich?  His family received gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh which would have been very valuable.  As a carpenter, Joseph would most likely have more income than the normal subsistence farmer of the day.  And Judas carried the groups money &#8211; so they didn&#8217;t just trust in God to provide for them wherever they went.  Jesus could have just performed a miracle to feed and clothe the disciples but apart from feeding the masses that is never mentioned.  And don&#8217;t forget that Abraham, Lot, Joseph, and many other people in the bible who were favored of by God were very wealthy.</p><p>The advice of others here makes sense:  pray on it and LISTEN for an answer.  God talks to everyone, but it is up to us to listen.  What is right for one person may not be right for everyone else.  If we were all life-saving brain surgeons, who would fix the cars?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andrew @ Earn Give Save</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15111</link> <dc:creator>Andrew @ Earn Give Save</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15111</guid> <description>Saving for retirement is just one aspect of wise stewardship, which I would argue also includes consistent tithing, and to the extent which is possible, further giving beyond that.  Having money saved at retirement means that we can further transition towards an eternity in worship.
Imagine being able to volunteer full time in your 60s and 70s!  One won&#039;t be able to do that if the means to provide for oneself hasn&#039;t been thoughtfully and prayerfully planned for.
That being said, there is likely more than one answer to this challenging question!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saving for retirement is just one aspect of wise stewardship, which I would argue also includes consistent tithing, and to the extent which is possible, further giving beyond that.  Having money saved at retirement means that we can further transition towards an eternity in worship.</p><p>Imagine being able to volunteer full time in your 60s and 70s!  One won&#8217;t be able to do that if the means to provide for oneself hasn&#8217;t been thoughtfully and prayerfully planned for.</p><p>That being said, there is likely more than one answer to this challenging question!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gina</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15075</link> <dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:58:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15075</guid> <description>I agree with &quot;amymezzell&quot;.  God provides us with tools (skills, talents, gifts) and allows us to choose the way we use those tools.
Encourage the pastor to review Matthew 25:14-30 - the parable of the Talents.  Most of us will be familar with this passage ... v21&quot;His master replied, &#039;Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master&#039;s happiness!&quot;
The pastor does peak my interest a little.  Does he know ANYONE who purposely didn&#039;t save for the future and gave all of their money to the &#039;less fortunate&#039; at HIS church?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with &#8220;amymezzell&#8221;.  God provides us with tools (skills, talents, gifts) and allows us to choose the way we use those tools.</p><p>Encourage the pastor to review Matthew 25:14-30 &#8211; the parable of the Talents.  Most of us will be familar with this passage &#8230; v21&#8243;His master replied, &#8216;Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master&#8217;s happiness!&#8221;</p><p>The pastor does peak my interest a little.  Does he know ANYONE who purposely didn&#8217;t save for the future and gave all of their money to the &#8216;less fortunate&#8217; at HIS church?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: prasti</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15044</link> <dc:creator>prasti</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15044</guid> <description>an interesting and perhaps radical perspective. given the bible verses provided it may very well mean that we shouldn&#039;t save up for retirement or 401K plan since our true treasures are in heaven.  i suppose it is a matter of the heart.  if you feel led by the Holy Spirit not to have a retirement plan and use the money instead to help others then that&#039;s what you should do.
but at the same time, saving up for retirement is being prudent and wise with God&#039;s money (as mentioned in the comment with proverbs 21:20).  once you retire, that retirement money you saved up can still be used for God&#039;s glory...it&#039;s money that will keep you from going into debt as a retiree and money that can be used to further God&#039;s kingdom (via tithing, etc.).
God uses different people for different purposes and all for His glory.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an interesting and perhaps radical perspective. given the bible verses provided it may very well mean that we shouldn&#8217;t save up for retirement or 401K plan since our true treasures are in heaven.  i suppose it is a matter of the heart.  if you feel led by the Holy Spirit not to have a retirement plan and use the money instead to help others then that&#8217;s what you should do.</p><p>but at the same time, saving up for retirement is being prudent and wise with God&#8217;s money (as mentioned in the comment with proverbs 21:20).  once you retire, that retirement money you saved up can still be used for God&#8217;s glory&#8230;it&#8217;s money that will keep you from going into debt as a retiree and money that can be used to further God&#8217;s kingdom (via tithing, etc.).</p><p>God uses different people for different purposes and all for His glory.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Holly</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15037</link> <dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15037</guid> <description>I struggle with this for a different reason -- I&#039;m not entirely comfortable with the investments in which my 401k is invested, even though I have tried to select a morally responsible plan.
I think that some consideration must be given to what is being done with the money that would otherwise go towards retirement -- is it being used to fund good projects or is it going to travel and big screen TVs? If we have money &quot;to spare&quot; and squander it, then I don&#039;t think we can expect God to shower more resources on it in our old age.  On the other hand, if prudent planning allows us the leisure in our old age to continue to praise God and build the kingdom, then that doesn&#039;t seem like a bad thing to do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggle with this for a different reason &#8212; I&#8217;m not entirely comfortable with the investments in which my 401k is invested, even though I have tried to select a morally responsible plan.</p><p>I think that some consideration must be given to what is being done with the money that would otherwise go towards retirement &#8212; is it being used to fund good projects or is it going to travel and big screen TVs? If we have money &#8220;to spare&#8221; and squander it, then I don&#8217;t think we can expect God to shower more resources on it in our old age.  On the other hand, if prudent planning allows us the leisure in our old age to continue to praise God and build the kingdom, then that doesn&#8217;t seem like a bad thing to do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ken</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15028</link> <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:19:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15028</guid> <description>I think we need to give to those in need AND save for retirement.  The Bible encourages saving and other financial issues as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to give to those in need AND save for retirement.  The Bible encourages saving and other financial issues as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: amymezzell</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2010/01/should-a-believer-really-contribute-to-iras-401ks-or-other-retirement-accounts/#comment-15009</link> <dc:creator>amymezzell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/?p=2723#comment-15009</guid> <description>I agree with most of the people above in the fact that God gave us the sense to realize it would be wise to prepare for the future. It&#039;s like the people who refuse medical treatment in lieu of God healing them, when in fact, I believe, God gave us technology and intelligence to know how to solve some medical problems. That doesn&#039;t mean we have to save so much money that we&#039;ll become rich in our old age, but I think we&#039;d be foolish to totally ignore the possibility and hope everything works out. Of course God is able to provide, but the above joke makes a great point. I also agree with the statement that if we did take care of each other as we&#039;re commanded to, saving money for retirement wouldn&#039;t be as necessary, but we don&#039;t, so we have to work with the current cultural system gives us, which sadly isn&#039;t much in the arena of retirement security these days.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the people above in the fact that God gave us the sense to realize it would be wise to prepare for the future. It&#8217;s like the people who refuse medical treatment in lieu of God healing them, when in fact, I believe, God gave us technology and intelligence to know how to solve some medical problems. That doesn&#8217;t mean we have to save so much money that we&#8217;ll become rich in our old age, but I think we&#8217;d be foolish to totally ignore the possibility and hope everything works out. Of course God is able to provide, but the above joke makes a great point. I also agree with the statement that if we did take care of each other as we&#8217;re commanded to, saving money for retirement wouldn&#8217;t be as necessary, but we don&#8217;t, so we have to work with the current cultural system gives us, which sadly isn&#8217;t much in the arena of retirement security these days.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
