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		<title>By: d_h</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2009/05/what-should-i-do-with-my-house/comment-page-1/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>d_h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fontaine, if you were in the same situation as Stew and myself your actions would be no different.  The banks&#039; mortgages are insured, they never loose even when a consumer forecloses; most consumers don&#039;t have that type of insurance on their mortgage, so in an upside-down market the consumer always looses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fontaine, if you were in the same situation as Stew and myself your actions would be no different.  The banks&#8217; mortgages are insured, they never loose even when a consumer forecloses; most consumers don&#8217;t have that type of insurance on their mortgage, so in an upside-down market the consumer always looses.</p>
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		<title>By: d_h</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2009/05/what-should-i-do-with-my-house/comment-page-1/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>d_h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get rid of the home as fast as you can, regardless of credit score damage.  It sounds as though you have been through many a night deprived of sleep, is your life worth ruining over 4 - 7 years of a bad credit score?

All loan forgiveness options have guidelines on who can qualify, and all have credit score implications. But I am sure you have already researched out those options. You need to hire a lawyer to assist with any negotiations with the bank; if you go at it yourself you will emerge battered and bruised; a lawyer will help to soften the punches considerably.

A note that I didn&#039;t see mentioned here, banks have to approve a short sale and a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure.  When a house is upside-down in it&#039;s mortgage it is highly unlikely a bank will approve either unless the following occurs (not an exhaustive list):  moving out of the area (your golden ticket); milliary related; insolvency; death; divorce; long-term illness; etc...

Before most banks allow a deed-in-lieu, they will require you to attempt to short sale for a minimum duration of time.

I myself am at 240% in my LTV (purchased for 240K, mortgage balance 200K, current home value 83K). I am not an investor, just bought at the wrong time. I have spent over 1 1/2 years cajoling the bank with short-selling and deed-in-lieu, all to no avail. Now my family and I are going to foreclose and move on with our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get rid of the home as fast as you can, regardless of credit score damage.  It sounds as though you have been through many a night deprived of sleep, is your life worth ruining over 4 &#8211; 7 years of a bad credit score?</p>
<p>All loan forgiveness options have guidelines on who can qualify, and all have credit score implications. But I am sure you have already researched out those options. You need to hire a lawyer to assist with any negotiations with the bank; if you go at it yourself you will emerge battered and bruised; a lawyer will help to soften the punches considerably.</p>
<p>A note that I didn&#8217;t see mentioned here, banks have to approve a short sale and a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure.  When a house is upside-down in it&#8217;s mortgage it is highly unlikely a bank will approve either unless the following occurs (not an exhaustive list):  moving out of the area (your golden ticket); milliary related; insolvency; death; divorce; long-term illness; etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Before most banks allow a deed-in-lieu, they will require you to attempt to short sale for a minimum duration of time.</p>
<p>I myself am at 240% in my LTV (purchased for 240K, mortgage balance 200K, current home value 83K). I am not an investor, just bought at the wrong time. I have spent over 1 1/2 years cajoling the bank with short-selling and deed-in-lieu, all to no avail. Now my family and I are going to foreclose and move on with our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re in a hole. Stop digging!</description>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Money Stories: May Two-Four Edition &#124; Prime Time Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Money Stories: May Two-Four Edition &#124; Prime Time Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fontaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fontaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny About Money, I love your attitude (I really do!) about taking care of yourself and letting Caesar take care of himself. But what&#039;s the limit?  How can we encourage someone that gets into too much debt to drop it all and walk away? What comes of this country, and the people, if the message is that we as a country condone irresponsible actions like that?  I mentioned in a previous post that I believe when it comes down to paying the bills or putting food on the table, then one&#039;s gotta do what they gotta do. But regardless of the loan agreement in place, when someone agrees to borrow money to pay for a product, they should pay it back. Yes, the banks know what risk they were assuming, but so did the borrower. Banks are in the business to make money.  How can we blame a bank for giving us a loan that we shouldn&#039;t have had in the first place?  If a person is not that aware of their finances, they shouldn&#039;t be in the borrow/lend marketplace to begin with.  I don&#039;t understand how people can encourage others to not be accountable for their actions.  No one held a gun to the author&#039;s head and forced him/her to sign the dotted line.  It was all voluntary and because things aren&#039;t going well, we encourage them to walk away because our theory is that &#039;mortgage lenders are huge faceless companies that have no compunction about taking advantage of you...&quot;?  Again, I tend to agree with that statement, but we should be encouraging people to try and find a way out of the problem that is suitable for all, and not simply dropping everything and walking away.  Walking away destroys the economy, it destroys the mentality of the people, and it severely lowers the standards of our economy.
It&#039;s such a tough problem. I really feel for people in over their head.  But accountability is a must..for both lenders and borrowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny About Money, I love your attitude (I really do!) about taking care of yourself and letting Caesar take care of himself. But what&#8217;s the limit?  How can we encourage someone that gets into too much debt to drop it all and walk away? What comes of this country, and the people, if the message is that we as a country condone irresponsible actions like that?  I mentioned in a previous post that I believe when it comes down to paying the bills or putting food on the table, then one&#8217;s gotta do what they gotta do. But regardless of the loan agreement in place, when someone agrees to borrow money to pay for a product, they should pay it back. Yes, the banks know what risk they were assuming, but so did the borrower. Banks are in the business to make money.  How can we blame a bank for giving us a loan that we shouldn&#8217;t have had in the first place?  If a person is not that aware of their finances, they shouldn&#8217;t be in the borrow/lend marketplace to begin with.  I don&#8217;t understand how people can encourage others to not be accountable for their actions.  No one held a gun to the author&#8217;s head and forced him/her to sign the dotted line.  It was all voluntary and because things aren&#8217;t going well, we encourage them to walk away because our theory is that &#8216;mortgage lenders are huge faceless companies that have no compunction about taking advantage of you&#8230;&#8221;?  Again, I tend to agree with that statement, but we should be encouraging people to try and find a way out of the problem that is suitable for all, and not simply dropping everything and walking away.  Walking away destroys the economy, it destroys the mentality of the people, and it severely lowers the standards of our economy.<br />
It&#8217;s such a tough problem. I really feel for people in over their head.  But accountability is a must..for both lenders and borrowers.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the savings &amp; loan debacle of ancient memory, Semi-Demi-Ex-Boyfriend unloaded his place deed in lieu. He walked away with no debt and no harm to his credit rating; the bank (which itself was in the process of declaring bankruptcy) sold his $40,000 condo for $12,000. SDXB deducted his losses from his income tax over three years.

Are they even doing deeds in lieu anymore?

What a predicament. I guess if it were me I&#039;d make three moves at this time:

1. Track down a Realtor in the old town who specializes in short sales. Most cities now have real estate agents who are experienced with this now and can advise you on whether this would be a reasonable move and what the implications would be.

2. Talk with the lender and see if they can make any accommodation for you. Deed in lieu is one think to ask about; they may have some other strategies.

3. Find a professional property manager and see if he or she can find a renter who will pay enough rent that you can carry the rest of the mortgage without going broke.

IMHO, God does not want you to crash and burn. There&#039;s no moral issue here: mortgage lenders are huge faceless companies that have no compunction about taking advantage of you or, quite frankly, of destroying you and your family for the sake of profit. Take care of yourself and yours, and let Caesar take care of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the savings &amp; loan debacle of ancient memory, Semi-Demi-Ex-Boyfriend unloaded his place deed in lieu. He walked away with no debt and no harm to his credit rating; the bank (which itself was in the process of declaring bankruptcy) sold his $40,000 condo for $12,000. SDXB deducted his losses from his income tax over three years.</p>
<p>Are they even doing deeds in lieu anymore?</p>
<p>What a predicament. I guess if it were me I&#8217;d make three moves at this time:</p>
<p>1. Track down a Realtor in the old town who specializes in short sales. Most cities now have real estate agents who are experienced with this now and can advise you on whether this would be a reasonable move and what the implications would be.</p>
<p>2. Talk with the lender and see if they can make any accommodation for you. Deed in lieu is one think to ask about; they may have some other strategies.</p>
<p>3. Find a professional property manager and see if he or she can find a renter who will pay enough rent that you can carry the rest of the mortgage without going broke.</p>
<p>IMHO, God does not want you to crash and burn. There&#8217;s no moral issue here: mortgage lenders are huge faceless companies that have no compunction about taking advantage of you or, quite frankly, of destroying you and your family for the sake of profit. Take care of yourself and yours, and let Caesar take care of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Fontaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fontaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the comment by ABCs of Investing. You should continue to try and honor the contract and responsibility you assumed.  If it comes down to not being able to put food on the table, then you gotta do what you gotta do to protect the family...but otherwise, it&#039;s your problem, not the bank&#039;s.  If you were to sell for a profit, would you share it with the bank? Then why make the bank eat your loss?
I feel for you..I really do.  Good luck and I&#039;ll pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the comment by ABCs of Investing. You should continue to try and honor the contract and responsibility you assumed.  If it comes down to not being able to put food on the table, then you gotta do what you gotta do to protect the family&#8230;but otherwise, it&#8217;s your problem, not the bank&#8217;s.  If you were to sell for a profit, would you share it with the bank? Then why make the bank eat your loss?<br />
I feel for you..I really do.  Good luck and I&#8217;ll pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: No Debt Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Debt Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t read through all of the comments, but why not try renting again?

If your costs are $1,000 to $1,200 per month, even if you could rent it for $800 you are stopping most of the bleeding, perhaps even the point that you can technically afford to keep both houses. Plus then someone else is paying your mortgage off for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t read through all of the comments, but why not try renting again?</p>
<p>If your costs are $1,000 to $1,200 per month, even if you could rent it for $800 you are stopping most of the bleeding, perhaps even the point that you can technically afford to keep both houses. Plus then someone else is paying your mortgage off for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the &quot;financial&quot; choice is not the biblical choice.  This is a Christian finance blog, I agree with Marsha when she says it&#039;s also a moral decision.  Have you prayed about it, have you trusted GOD to provide for the choices you&#039;ve made.  Are you being obedient in using the gifts He gave you to make this situation work?

Perhaps you didn&#039;t employ the best stewardship when you bought the house...everyone was buying, it was a crazy time in the market, people overextended on the promise of increasing values and big payouts in a couple years.  But now here we are, faced with the result.  Money might get tight.  People might have to work more hours or cut back on expenses.  It stinks - but it&#039;s life.  But just because everyone is doing something (short sales, etc) doesn&#039;t make it right - isn&#039;t that what got us in this real estate mess in the first place?  Don&#039;t just do what&#039;s &quot;popular&quot;...do what&#039;s right.

Yes, life will go on regardless of your decision.  But don&#039;t go down without a fight...  Every time I have a setback - I look at it as GOD doing a work in me.  Maybe renting that home at a loss will truly bless the occupant - we don&#039;t know how God moves in these situations.  Some things truly are more important than money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the &#8220;financial&#8221; choice is not the biblical choice.  This is a Christian finance blog, I agree with Marsha when she says it&#8217;s also a moral decision.  Have you prayed about it, have you trusted GOD to provide for the choices you&#8217;ve made.  Are you being obedient in using the gifts He gave you to make this situation work?</p>
<p>Perhaps you didn&#8217;t employ the best stewardship when you bought the house&#8230;everyone was buying, it was a crazy time in the market, people overextended on the promise of increasing values and big payouts in a couple years.  But now here we are, faced with the result.  Money might get tight.  People might have to work more hours or cut back on expenses.  It stinks &#8211; but it&#8217;s life.  But just because everyone is doing something (short sales, etc) doesn&#8217;t make it right &#8211; isn&#8217;t that what got us in this real estate mess in the first place?  Don&#8217;t just do what&#8217;s &#8220;popular&#8221;&#8230;do what&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>Yes, life will go on regardless of your decision.  But don&#8217;t go down without a fight&#8230;  Every time I have a setback &#8211; I look at it as GOD doing a work in me.  Maybe renting that home at a loss will truly bless the occupant &#8211; we don&#8217;t know how God moves in these situations.  Some things truly are more important than money.</p>
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		<title>By: MyJourney</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christie,

I am almost positive that is only for your primary home (it is under the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007).

@Stew,

I am not sure whether they would or wouldn&#039;t but really what is the harm in asking? There is none.  Banks are not in the business of being property owners, they don&#039;t like it and don&#039;t want it.  Just telling someone that you MIGHT default may be enough to get some action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christie,</p>
<p>I am almost positive that is only for your primary home (it is under the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007).</p>
<p>@Stew,</p>
<p>I am not sure whether they would or wouldn&#8217;t but really what is the harm in asking? There is none.  Banks are not in the business of being property owners, they don&#8217;t like it and don&#8217;t want it.  Just telling someone that you MIGHT default may be enough to get some action.</p>
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