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		<title>By: Beyond CarFax: Tips for Buying Used Cars &#124; Cash Money Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond CarFax: Tips for Buying Used Cars &#124; Cash Money Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am a big supporter of buying used cars instead of new cars. Buying a used car will save you money not just on the price, but can also help in finding affordable car insurance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John P</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a 1998 Lexus ES300 with 186,000 miles on it for $4,800. I gave the owner a $150 deposit and the balance the next day, after my mechanic gave it a thorough inspection and a clean bill of health.

Over the years I&#039;ve bought 10 cars and 4 motorcycles;  two of the motorcycles I bought new, everything else was used.  The only lemon was a BMW 328ic which I bought from a dealer.

I don&#039;t buy cars through dealers anymore.

If you look at Craigslist, you can see the premium that dealers put on cars; if you&#039;re reasonably careful and use a mechanic to vet the deal, you can easily save $500 - $1,500 by buying from the owner.  Often the buyers underprice the car or will move significantly off their initial price to get it out of their driveway.

I pay $24 for an annual subscription to Consumer Reports online;  when I want to buy a car I always look at their &quot;Recommended Used Cars&quot; section for the amount I want to spend.  I&#039;m strongly biased to Toyotas, Hondas, and Lexus&#039;-- over the years they&#039;ve proven themselves to be completely reliable.  (My wife drives a 2004 Toyota Avalon, which we bought used and she loves.)

Although 186,000 miles is a lot, if any car was built to put 300,000 miles on it, it&#039;s a Lexus.  If you look at the wikipedia entry for the Lexus ES, it shows (1) J.D. Power and Associates named the 1998 ES 300 the &quot;Best Entry Luxury Car in Initial Quality&quot; and (2) Kelley Blue Book gave the 1998 ES its &quot;Best to Hold Value.&quot;

I live in northern Virginia and commute four miles to work.  Two or three times a week I drive twenty to thirty miles to see clients.

I used Craigslist to find the car by searching for cars with a maximum value of $12,000.

Part of what I&#039;m interested in when I look at a used car is getting a feel for the owner. When I met the owner at his house, he was a friendly guy with a well-maintained yard and home who&#039;d just bought another (used) Lexus.  He&#039;d already printed out the CarFax report for me, which was a positive sign.  He&#039;d owned the car for 7 years and had bought it used himself.  He had a good reason for selling the car and a good reason for the high miles -- he has a 100-mile round trip commute each day.

The car was immaculate.  The interior was spotless, the vinyl was spotless and looked like it had been regularly cleaned with ArmorAll.  The floor was clean and unworn -- very hard to do over ten years.  The body had no dings and minor scratches, and the engine compartment was spotless.

When I took it out for a test drive, it felt tight, smooth and quiet;  there was no vibration through the steering wheel.  When I took my hands off the steering wheel the car didn&#039;t move.  When I found a quiet street and slammed on the brakes, it didn&#039;t slew at all.  Braking was firm, not soft or spongy.

As Clint Eastwood tells us, &quot;A man&#039;s got to know his limitations.&quot;  I&#039;m no mechanic, but I have a good one.  The owner agreed to knock off the price of the inspection, and let me have the car for the evening and next day so my mechanic could look it over.

My mechanic gave it a clean bill of health.

So for $4,800 I have a good-looking car with a clean title, no payments, low insurance, power everything, cruise control, and a great sound system.  I&#039;m looking forward to getting it to 300,000 miles, primarily through changing the oil every 3,000 miles and listening to my mechanic&#039;s advice.

Good luck to all of you --

John P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a 1998 Lexus ES300 with 186,000 miles on it for $4,800. I gave the owner a $150 deposit and the balance the next day, after my mechanic gave it a thorough inspection and a clean bill of health.</p>
<p>Over the years I&#8217;ve bought 10 cars and 4 motorcycles;  two of the motorcycles I bought new, everything else was used.  The only lemon was a BMW 328ic which I bought from a dealer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy cars through dealers anymore.</p>
<p>If you look at Craigslist, you can see the premium that dealers put on cars; if you&#8217;re reasonably careful and use a mechanic to vet the deal, you can easily save $500 &#8211; $1,500 by buying from the owner.  Often the buyers underprice the car or will move significantly off their initial price to get it out of their driveway.</p>
<p>I pay $24 for an annual subscription to Consumer Reports online;  when I want to buy a car I always look at their &#8220;Recommended Used Cars&#8221; section for the amount I want to spend.  I&#8217;m strongly biased to Toyotas, Hondas, and Lexus&#8217;&#8211; over the years they&#8217;ve proven themselves to be completely reliable.  (My wife drives a 2004 Toyota Avalon, which we bought used and she loves.)</p>
<p>Although 186,000 miles is a lot, if any car was built to put 300,000 miles on it, it&#8217;s a Lexus.  If you look at the wikipedia entry for the Lexus ES, it shows (1) J.D. Power and Associates named the 1998 ES 300 the &#8220;Best Entry Luxury Car in Initial Quality&#8221; and (2) Kelley Blue Book gave the 1998 ES its &#8220;Best to Hold Value.&#8221;</p>
<p>I live in northern Virginia and commute four miles to work.  Two or three times a week I drive twenty to thirty miles to see clients.</p>
<p>I used Craigslist to find the car by searching for cars with a maximum value of $12,000.</p>
<p>Part of what I&#8217;m interested in when I look at a used car is getting a feel for the owner. When I met the owner at his house, he was a friendly guy with a well-maintained yard and home who&#8217;d just bought another (used) Lexus.  He&#8217;d already printed out the CarFax report for me, which was a positive sign.  He&#8217;d owned the car for 7 years and had bought it used himself.  He had a good reason for selling the car and a good reason for the high miles &#8212; he has a 100-mile round trip commute each day.</p>
<p>The car was immaculate.  The interior was spotless, the vinyl was spotless and looked like it had been regularly cleaned with ArmorAll.  The floor was clean and unworn &#8212; very hard to do over ten years.  The body had no dings and minor scratches, and the engine compartment was spotless.</p>
<p>When I took it out for a test drive, it felt tight, smooth and quiet;  there was no vibration through the steering wheel.  When I took my hands off the steering wheel the car didn&#8217;t move.  When I found a quiet street and slammed on the brakes, it didn&#8217;t slew at all.  Braking was firm, not soft or spongy.</p>
<p>As Clint Eastwood tells us, &#8220;A man&#8217;s got to know his limitations.&#8221;  I&#8217;m no mechanic, but I have a good one.  The owner agreed to knock off the price of the inspection, and let me have the car for the evening and next day so my mechanic could look it over.</p>
<p>My mechanic gave it a clean bill of health.</p>
<p>So for $4,800 I have a good-looking car with a clean title, no payments, low insurance, power everything, cruise control, and a great sound system.  I&#8217;m looking forward to getting it to 300,000 miles, primarily through changing the oil every 3,000 miles and listening to my mechanic&#8217;s advice.</p>
<p>Good luck to all of you &#8211;</p>
<p>John P</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Car Accident Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2008/08/buying-a-used-auto-with-high-miles/comment-page-1/#comment-7375</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Car Accident Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased a Beretta for $3500 with 104K+ miles on it and aside from the standard engine maintenance didn&#039;t have any trouble with it. Had it for over four years before finally deciding it was time to move on to the next vehicle - a 2001 Saturn with 40K miles on it.

It is important do research, as you&#039;ve rightly suggested and laid out. A little looking can go a long way in saving some money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased a Beretta for $3500 with 104K+ miles on it and aside from the standard engine maintenance didn&#8217;t have any trouble with it. Had it for over four years before finally deciding it was time to move on to the next vehicle &#8211; a 2001 Saturn with 40K miles on it.</p>
<p>It is important do research, as you&#8217;ve rightly suggested and laid out. A little looking can go a long way in saving some money!</p>
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		<title>By: WR - Fantasy Football Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR - Fantasy Football Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sunday Morning Link Love &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday Morning Link Love &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Little By Little:  Buying A Used Auto With High Miles.  I&#8217;m too squeamish to do this but it can be a great bargain!  If you know how to pick [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Aug of 05 I bought a 2001 Acura TL with 50k miles on it.  I paid cash (a little over $16k).  My parents kept saying you need a newer car than that, 50k miles is a lot of miles.  But I kept telling them I&#039;m paying cash (a new concept to them) and I only put 10k miles a year on a car anyway.  So I&#039;m still in this really nice luxury car that&#039;s fun to drive.  It&#039;s still worth about $10k and it has only 80k miles on it.  Plus, I&#039;m able to save that car payment and put it towards the mortgage and towards the next car that I&#039;ll buy in 5 years or more.  Although my husband always buys new cars (but not as nice ones), I&#039;ll never buy a new one unless I have more money than I know what to do with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Aug of 05 I bought a 2001 Acura TL with 50k miles on it.  I paid cash (a little over $16k).  My parents kept saying you need a newer car than that, 50k miles is a lot of miles.  But I kept telling them I&#8217;m paying cash (a new concept to them) and I only put 10k miles a year on a car anyway.  So I&#8217;m still in this really nice luxury car that&#8217;s fun to drive.  It&#8217;s still worth about $10k and it has only 80k miles on it.  Plus, I&#8217;m able to save that car payment and put it towards the mortgage and towards the next car that I&#8217;ll buy in 5 years or more.  Although my husband always buys new cars (but not as nice ones), I&#8217;ll never buy a new one unless I have more money than I know what to do with.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Blog Roundup: Psychology of Credit Cards, Vanguard, and Freezers - Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Blog Roundup: Psychology of Credit Cards, Vanguard, and Freezers - Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Buying a Used Auto With High Miles. Gather Little By Little shares his recent experience buying a Eddie Bauer edition (didn&#8217;t they go out of business? or just close a bunch of stores?) Ford Expedition with over 100,000 miles. In many cases it makes financial sense to buy used cars, though there are some exceptions. He got a great deal on this car as long as there are no undiscovered problems. How to Find a Good Auto Mechanic. Five Cent Nickel shares several tips. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friday Link Love - Exhaustion Edition &#124; One Caveman's Financial Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Link Love - Exhaustion Edition &#124; One Caveman's Financial Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nikki W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy high mileage is VERY green.... and frugal. We have done this for our entire adult lives (50/60 yrs old).  Currently have 1 Ford van w/ 300K, 1 Toyota w/ 275K.  Religious about changing oil.   Both one owner cars;  both had 50-100K when we bought them.  Get that independent mechanics report;  look at the history in CarFax. No car payments - ever - is very freeing for us.
One thing you didn&#039;t mention again was rentals.  When we have a big road trip, we rent for the occasion.  We actually have been renting Prius (Toyota Hybrid) for our overnight road trips in the flat lands, although we have rented an SUV vehicles when traveling to the snow.  Two + to rentals:  1) prolongs our current vehicles - that 1500 extra miles is not going on our old car.  1500 miles is about 30 weeks of regular commuting for me.  2) No fears on unexpected repairs - it is someone else&#039;s car - we can return to AgencyX anywhere (for example) and get a different one if something goes wrong with it, and continue our trip immediately.  3) We can tailor the vehicle to the need - Prius for a long long road trip;  SUV to the snow;  pickup for the trek to get that antique table of Moms.  We don&#039;t own a bevy of flexible vehicles that broad - so we can flex when we need it. 4) Also allows us to &quot;shop&quot; for our next vehicle - we&#039;ve already decided that we don&#039;t like the leg lenght for the back seat in the one smaller Dodge vehicle we tried;  we found the seatback not comfortable for my tall DH in the Subaru.
Congratulations!  And, to be green, I just drive 55, and plan my trips carefully, and do errands in off hours (heavy traffic here); and get the same mileage my co-worker with the extremely expensive Camry Hybrid has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buy high mileage is VERY green&#8230;. and frugal. We have done this for our entire adult lives (50/60 yrs old).  Currently have 1 Ford van w/ 300K, 1 Toyota w/ 275K.  Religious about changing oil.   Both one owner cars;  both had 50-100K when we bought them.  Get that independent mechanics report;  look at the history in CarFax. No car payments &#8211; ever &#8211; is very freeing for us.<br />
One thing you didn&#8217;t mention again was rentals.  When we have a big road trip, we rent for the occasion.  We actually have been renting Prius (Toyota Hybrid) for our overnight road trips in the flat lands, although we have rented an SUV vehicles when traveling to the snow.  Two + to rentals:  1) prolongs our current vehicles &#8211; that 1500 extra miles is not going on our old car.  1500 miles is about 30 weeks of regular commuting for me.  2) No fears on unexpected repairs &#8211; it is someone else&#8217;s car &#8211; we can return to AgencyX anywhere (for example) and get a different one if something goes wrong with it, and continue our trip immediately.  3) We can tailor the vehicle to the need &#8211; Prius for a long long road trip;  SUV to the snow;  pickup for the trek to get that antique table of Moms.  We don&#8217;t own a bevy of flexible vehicles that broad &#8211; so we can flex when we need it. 4) Also allows us to &#8220;shop&#8221; for our next vehicle &#8211; we&#8217;ve already decided that we don&#8217;t like the leg lenght for the back seat in the one smaller Dodge vehicle we tried;  we found the seatback not comfortable for my tall DH in the Subaru.<br />
Congratulations!  And, to be green, I just drive 55, and plan my trips carefully, and do errands in off hours (heavy traffic here); and get the same mileage my co-worker with the extremely expensive Camry Hybrid has.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love these articles.  I&#039;m not a big fan of driving and I don&#039;t particularly like highway driving.  So I get a little confidence boost when people who seem to really know/like cars are pro-used.

I&#039;m currently driving a 1996 Toyota Corolla that my parents gave me.  It has about 79k miles on it; they bought it used about 7 years ago with 30k miles on it.  I expect it to keep happily chugging along until used hybrids and my bank account meet in 5-7 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these articles.  I&#8217;m not a big fan of driving and I don&#8217;t particularly like highway driving.  So I get a little confidence boost when people who seem to really know/like cars are pro-used.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently driving a 1996 Toyota Corolla that my parents gave me.  It has about 79k miles on it; they bought it used about 7 years ago with 30k miles on it.  I expect it to keep happily chugging along until used hybrids and my bank account meet in 5-7 years.</p>
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