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		<title>By: H_Roarke</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2008/01/in-credit-cards-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-3951</link>
		<dc:creator>H_Roarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glblguy:  It may have worked in your case, and it may work that way most of the time (I didn&#039;t meant to imply it would always be difficult, just that it could...and it could be very difficult).  However, the key word in those sentences is &quot;may.&quot;  I will take the zero risk credit card over the low risk debit card.  Plus, the credit card company has a rewards program, and since I don&#039;t pay interest or an annual fee, I actually get a little money/value back.

justin: Nice move with the finances.  I have thought about doing that myself, though I&#039;m not sure how I could get that amount from the credit card companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glblguy:  It may have worked in your case, and it may work that way most of the time (I didn&#8217;t meant to imply it would always be difficult, just that it could&#8230;and it could be very difficult).  However, the key word in those sentences is &#8220;may.&#8221;  I will take the zero risk credit card over the low risk debit card.  Plus, the credit card company has a rewards program, and since I don&#8217;t pay interest or an annual fee, I actually get a little money/value back.</p>
<p>justin: Nice move with the finances.  I have thought about doing that myself, though I&#8217;m not sure how I could get that amount from the credit card companies.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2008/01/in-credit-cards-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-3952</link>
		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Playing with fire? There&#039;s less risk than equities, the ability to pay it off today if something went wrong, and the monthly commitment is automatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing with fire? There&#8217;s less risk than equities, the ability to pay it off today if something went wrong, and the monthly commitment is automatic.</p>
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		<title>By: glblguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Justin - I know.  We&#039;ve had this conversation before.  Was just disagreeing with his comment that banks will take a long time.

As for your averages, I think you&#039;re playing with fire.  BUT respect your decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Justin &#8211; I know.  We&#8217;ve had this conversation before.  Was just disagreeing with his comment that banks will take a long time.</p>
<p>As for your averages, I think you&#8217;re playing with fire.  BUT respect your decision.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@glblguy: Your bank may have, it didn&#039;t have to. Some will, some won&#039;t. CC companies HAVE TO.

As for averages, our household has over 40K in CC debt, all at 0% and all the money is sitting in a HY savings account. How do you like them averages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@glblguy: Your bank may have, it didn&#8217;t have to. Some will, some won&#8217;t. CC companies HAVE TO.</p>
<p>As for averages, our household has over 40K in CC debt, all at 0% and all the money is sitting in a HY savings account. How do you like them averages?</p>
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		<title>By: glblguy</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2008/01/in-credit-cards-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-3957</link>
		<dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@H_Roarke - You&#039;re wrong.  I had my debit card stolen in October, than ran up about $800.00 in charges before I realized it.  Bank refunded my money by the next business day. The only thing I had to do was sign an affidavit, and that wasn&#039;t required prior to getting my money back.  I had to pay nothing.  Not sure how long it&#039;s been since you audited, but I think things may have changed since then.  I can tell you first hand it didn&#039;t take that long.

I bank with Wachovia and they were nothing but helpful, understanding, and did every thing they could to return me my money as soon as they could.

I agree about writing you pin on your card.  Hey, we agreed ;-)

Deamiter - An average is an average, regardless of whether some have none and other have a lot.  It&#039;s not to imply that everyone has $9,000 in debt, but it is an average.  I do agree though, it is far too high.  These surveys are always very iffy too, as the one&#039;s that quote the lower averages and sponsored by card companies, and the others that skew the other way are sponsored by anti-credit organizations.  $8,000 - $9,000 average is a common stat though across many different surveys.

Thanks to both of you for your thorough and thoughtful comments.  It really adds value to my article and hopefully people who find this site will get some great value out it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H_Roarke &#8211; You&#8217;re wrong.  I had my debit card stolen in October, than ran up about $800.00 in charges before I realized it.  Bank refunded my money by the next business day. The only thing I had to do was sign an affidavit, and that wasn&#8217;t required prior to getting my money back.  I had to pay nothing.  Not sure how long it&#8217;s been since you audited, but I think things may have changed since then.  I can tell you first hand it didn&#8217;t take that long.</p>
<p>I bank with Wachovia and they were nothing but helpful, understanding, and did every thing they could to return me my money as soon as they could.</p>
<p>I agree about writing you pin on your card.  Hey, we agreed <img src='http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Deamiter &#8211; An average is an average, regardless of whether some have none and other have a lot.  It&#8217;s not to imply that everyone has $9,000 in debt, but it is an average.  I do agree though, it is far too high.  These surveys are always very iffy too, as the one&#8217;s that quote the lower averages and sponsored by card companies, and the others that skew the other way are sponsored by anti-credit organizations.  $8,000 &#8211; $9,000 average is a common stat though across many different surveys.</p>
<p>Thanks to both of you for your thorough and thoughtful comments.  It really adds value to my article and hopefully people who find this site will get some great value out it!</p>
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		<title>By: H_Roarke</title>
		<link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2008/01/in-credit-cards-we-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-3956</link>
		<dc:creator>H_Roarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deamiter is correct in his statement, but he proves my point in his last sentence, &quot;$50 liability cap isnt mandated by law as it is with credit cards.&quot;  Yes, the criminal needs your pin, but there are so many ways to get it, that it&#039;s not guranteed they can&#039;t.  I will take the $50 downside risk, as opposed to the much bigger downside risk of a debit card attached to my bank account.  It is a choice, but if I gave you two stocks and told you all you could lose on one is $50 and you could lose everything on the other...which do you choose?

I actually had a credit card stolen before and didn&#039;t realize it until 2 days later.  By then the card was half-way across the country and had $1,200 charged on it.  I called the credit card company and they removed the charges almost instantly.  Didn&#039;t even have to pay the $50 liability.  No way a bank does that with your account.  You might get it back eventually, but it will take a significant period of time and a lot of work on your part.  I used to audit banks and based on my experience, they will be hesitant as they will initially think you are running your own scam.  They will also demand every document you have, as proof you aren&#039;t scamming them.

Oh, and if you (meaning anyone) do write your pin number on your card, you deserve to have your money stolen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deamiter is correct in his statement, but he proves my point in his last sentence, &#8220;$50 liability cap isnt mandated by law as it is with credit cards.&#8221;  Yes, the criminal needs your pin, but there are so many ways to get it, that it&#8217;s not guranteed they can&#8217;t.  I will take the $50 downside risk, as opposed to the much bigger downside risk of a debit card attached to my bank account.  It is a choice, but if I gave you two stocks and told you all you could lose on one is $50 and you could lose everything on the other&#8230;which do you choose?</p>
<p>I actually had a credit card stolen before and didn&#8217;t realize it until 2 days later.  By then the card was half-way across the country and had $1,200 charged on it.  I called the credit card company and they removed the charges almost instantly.  Didn&#8217;t even have to pay the $50 liability.  No way a bank does that with your account.  You might get it back eventually, but it will take a significant period of time and a lot of work on your part.  I used to audit banks and based on my experience, they will be hesitant as they will initially think you are running your own scam.  They will also demand every document you have, as proof you aren&#8217;t scamming them.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you (meaning anyone) do write your pin number on your card, you deserve to have your money stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: Deamiter @ handlingfinances.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deamiter @ handlingfinances.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of clarifications -- HRoarke, Visa and Mastercard both cap liability for fraudulent transactions at $50 for all signed transactions (which include all online transactions).  Unless you write your pin-number on the card (DON&#039;T) a Visa or Mastercard debit card has the same liability limit.  Of course, since the money comes straight out of your bank account, a debit card can leave you with more problems before the issue is resolved.  They&#039;ve done this since 1997, though a lot of financial gurus out there still talk about debit cards as if there is no protection.  Granted, the $50 liability cap isn&#039;t mandated by law as it is with credit cards, but in the vast majority of fraudulent activity, the cap is the same.

glblguy -- be careful citing $9000 dollars in credit card debt per person.  Not only is the number per family, and only families with credit cards (80 million by the common cardweb&#039;s calculation), citing an average ignores the fact that over 50% of American households either carry no credit cards (23%) or paid off their latest balance in full (32% as of the stats I saw).  Those few that carry huge balances skew the averages and the other details of the stats make it sound much worse than it really is (though I agree, it&#039;s still MUCH too high!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of clarifications &#8212; HRoarke, Visa and Mastercard both cap liability for fraudulent transactions at $50 for all signed transactions (which include all online transactions).  Unless you write your pin-number on the card (DON&#8217;T) a Visa or Mastercard debit card has the same liability limit.  Of course, since the money comes straight out of your bank account, a debit card can leave you with more problems before the issue is resolved.  They&#8217;ve done this since 1997, though a lot of financial gurus out there still talk about debit cards as if there is no protection.  Granted, the $50 liability cap isn&#8217;t mandated by law as it is with credit cards, but in the vast majority of fraudulent activity, the cap is the same.</p>
<p>glblguy &#8212; be careful citing $9000 dollars in credit card debt per person.  Not only is the number per family, and only families with credit cards (80 million by the common cardweb&#8217;s calculation), citing an average ignores the fact that over 50% of American households either carry no credit cards (23%) or paid off their latest balance in full (32% as of the stats I saw).  Those few that carry huge balances skew the averages and the other details of the stats make it sound much worse than it really is (though I agree, it&#8217;s still MUCH too high!)</p>
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		<title>By: glblguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@H-Roarke - Smarter is relevant and has to be taken in perspective.  Myself, I have struggled with using credit cards in the past and not paying off the debit within the 30 day grace period.  I am still paying on debt that is probably &gt; 5 years old to be honest.  So using credit cards for me and for people that are like me isn&#039;t smarter.  While I think I am disciplined to use them again, I am just not comfortable with it and am willing to risk the trade-off of the protections...which to be honest are seldom needed anyway.

Point 1) True - but how many people really do this?  2) I completely agree with you.  The scary thing is how many people really have this problem.  Average debt in America per person is $8,000 - $9,000 and rising.

Regarding self-reliance, Lynnae addressed a similar concern raised in an earlier comment.  I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll want to weigh in on this further.

Remember, what is right and smart for some isn&#039;t always right and smart for others.  Smart is a very gray thing.  Smarter is what works best for me.  Sounds like you are in a different situation than myself, and thus Smarter is different for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H-Roarke &#8211; Smarter is relevant and has to be taken in perspective.  Myself, I have struggled with using credit cards in the past and not paying off the debit within the 30 day grace period.  I am still paying on debt that is probably > 5 years old to be honest.  So using credit cards for me and for people that are like me isn&#8217;t smarter.  While I think I am disciplined to use them again, I am just not comfortable with it and am willing to risk the trade-off of the protections&#8230;which to be honest are seldom needed anyway.</p>
<p>Point 1) True &#8211; but how many people really do this?  2) I completely agree with you.  The scary thing is how many people really have this problem.  Average debt in America per person is $8,000 &#8211; $9,000 and rising.</p>
<p>Regarding self-reliance, Lynnae addressed a similar concern raised in an earlier comment.  I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll want to weigh in on this further.</p>
<p>Remember, what is right and smart for some isn&#8217;t always right and smart for others.  Smart is a very gray thing.  Smarter is what works best for me.  Sounds like you are in a different situation than myself, and thus Smarter is different for you.</p>
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		<title>By: H_Roarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>H_Roarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine completely makes sense, and here is why:

A debit card functions in the same way as a credit card, but you are liable for any money charged to your account if it (debit card) is stolen.  It does not fall under the $50 limit liability provided by law for credit cards.  Thus, every time you use your debit card you risk losing whatever is in your bank account.  You are only liable up to $50 on your credit card and most don&#039;t make you pay that.  Using a credit card isn&#039;t easier it is smarter than using a debit card.

You said, &quot;Why risk the chance of not being able to pay it off in 3-4 weeks when you can pay it off now?&quot; - Two issues with this: 1) you can pay your credit card of instantly by going on-line and paying it from your account, 2) if you can&#039;t save the money you already have labeled as savings for 3-4 weeks, you have a much larger problem than $300.


Concerning god&#039;s work and to be clearer:  The post suggests, though not in a direct way, that self-reliance is inappropriate.  All I&#039;m saying is that being self-reliant is a virtue, not a negative.  Sitting on your couch and saying god will provide is foolish.  Saving up an emergency fund and using your credit card appropriately is self-reliant and worth your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine completely makes sense, and here is why:</p>
<p>A debit card functions in the same way as a credit card, but you are liable for any money charged to your account if it (debit card) is stolen.  It does not fall under the $50 limit liability provided by law for credit cards.  Thus, every time you use your debit card you risk losing whatever is in your bank account.  You are only liable up to $50 on your credit card and most don&#8217;t make you pay that.  Using a credit card isn&#8217;t easier it is smarter than using a debit card.</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;Why risk the chance of not being able to pay it off in 3-4 weeks when you can pay it off now?&#8221; &#8211; Two issues with this: 1) you can pay your credit card of instantly by going on-line and paying it from your account, 2) if you can&#8217;t save the money you already have labeled as savings for 3-4 weeks, you have a much larger problem than $300.</p>
<p>Concerning god&#8217;s work and to be clearer:  The post suggests, though not in a direct way, that self-reliance is inappropriate.  All I&#8217;m saying is that being self-reliant is a virtue, not a negative.  Sitting on your couch and saying god will provide is foolish.  Saving up an emergency fund and using your credit card appropriately is self-reliant and worth your time.</p>
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		<title>By: glblguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H_Roarke - neither does yours:

You said: &quot;A really bad idea is to blindly hope something will be placed in your lap.&quot;

I agree.

You said: &quot;Wouldnt it be easier and quicker to buy the $300 ticket with the credit card and then pay it off in 3-4 weeks when the bill is due? You arent in debt, you have the money, and you just made your life easier and got to your destination quicker and with less hassle.&quot;

How is using a card card easier and quicker than using a debit card?  If you have the money, why risk the chance of not being able to pay it off in 3-4 weeks when you can pay it off now?

You said: &quot;if god works through you or anyone, then wouldnt your actions be gods work? So, why is self-reliance wrong? This post doesnt make a lot of sense.&quot;

Your kidding right?  So if someone kills someone, that is God&#039;s work?  God does indeed work through you, but He does not control everything you do.  We are given the choice to do what we will.  God works through us through our spirit and conscience.  We can choose to ignore that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H_Roarke &#8211; neither does yours:</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;A really bad idea is to blindly hope something will be placed in your lap.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;Wouldnt it be easier and quicker to buy the $300 ticket with the credit card and then pay it off in 3-4 weeks when the bill is due? You arent in debt, you have the money, and you just made your life easier and got to your destination quicker and with less hassle.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is using a card card easier and quicker than using a debit card?  If you have the money, why risk the chance of not being able to pay it off in 3-4 weeks when you can pay it off now?</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;if god works through you or anyone, then wouldnt your actions be gods work? So, why is self-reliance wrong? This post doesnt make a lot of sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your kidding right?  So if someone kills someone, that is God&#8217;s work?  God does indeed work through you, but He does not control everything you do.  We are given the choice to do what we will.  God works through us through our spirit and conscience.  We can choose to ignore that.</p>
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