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> <channel><title>Comments on: Can Your Healthcare Costs Go Up If You&#039;re Obese?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/</link> <description>Proverbs 13:11 - &#34;...he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.&#34;</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:10:51 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Luigi Yielding</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-24702</link> <dc:creator>Luigi Yielding</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-24702</guid> <description>It depends on the amount to be financed.  RV loans can be up to 20 years.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on the amount to be financed.  RV loans can be up to 20 years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: glblguy</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2643</link> <dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2643</guid> <description>@vh - Guessing there are a lot of folks that would have a very similar reaction.  Thanks for your comment!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vh &#8211; Guessing there are a lot of folks that would have a very similar reaction.  Thanks for your comment!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: vh</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2642</link> <dc:creator>vh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2642</guid> <description>Excuse me? The last I heard, what goes on between you and your doctor is privileged information. It&#039;s not between you and your doctor and your boss! That is an unconscionable invasion of privacy.
If my employer pulled a stunt like this, I&#039;d be looking for another job. Forthwith.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me? The last I heard, what goes on between you and your doctor is privileged information. It&#8217;s not between you and your doctor and your boss! That is an unconscionable invasion of privacy.</p><p>If my employer pulled a stunt like this, I&#8217;d be looking for another job. Forthwith.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Financial Incentives To Being Healthy (For Insurance Purposes, Anyway) &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2641</link> <dc:creator>Financial Incentives To Being Healthy (For Insurance Purposes, Anyway) &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:16:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2641</guid> <description>[...] week I read a post at Gather Little By Little about an employer charging more for health care coverage if certain health criteria were not met. I [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week I read a post at Gather Little By Little about an employer charging more for health care coverage if certain health criteria were not met. I [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: glblguy</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2636</link> <dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:28:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2636</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;kitty, thanks for providing sch a thorough perspective on the topic.  Really appreciate you taking the time to leave such and informative comment.  It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out.&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kitty, thanks for providing sch a thorough perspective on the topic.  Really appreciate you taking the time to leave such and informative comment.  It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kitty</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2638</link> <dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:06:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2638</guid> <description>&quot;However, they are talking about higher costs for people with hereditary issues, diabetes, cholesterol, even weight(high or low metabolism at the very least) can all be passed on down the family tree&quot;
This is exactly my problem with plans such as this. There are many people (myself included)who are slim, active, eating right and exercizing regularly who nevertheless cannot get LDL below 130 without drugs because of heredity. I am not sure that a signed letter from a doctor would work in this case - they could just say - &quot;take statins&quot;. But this would be a) direct interference in our right to refuse medication b) ill-advised in cases where the overall 10-year heart attack risk is low. For example, say your absolute 10-year risk of heart attack is only 1% even with LDL over 130. Let&#039;s say statins can reduce this risk by 30%. 30% of 1% is only .3% and that in 10 years; is this small probability of benefit really higher than the equally small risk of side effects? c) expensive - consider how many people in low risk category will be treated with prescription drugs for how many years to prevent one case of heart attack.
Moreover, I doubt this plan is going to save Clarian money (except for smoking policy - this is probably the only cost saving measure). Even with obesity things are far from clear if you consider possible results of such a policy in real life. Diet conseling will cost money; some people may go on unhealthy crash diets, some will engage in exercise that may be a bit too much - this will increase risk of injury - $$$. Some will take drugs. Not all obese people get diabetes or are sick. So, you still need to consider how much they&#039;ll spend on several people in order to save money on one person. But the plan is bound to cause some otherwise healthy low-risk people to take prescription drugs, and this is going to be expensive.
People often confuse absolute risk reduction with relative risk reduction; it is important to understand the difference. It is also important to understand how many people need to be treated for how many years for one person to benefit when you consider cost (NNT - number needed to treat, I am surprise a health company like Clarian doesn&#039;t understand basic epidemiology). It is easy to say &quot;it is cheaper to give people prescription drugs than to treat a heart attack&quot;, but when you say it you are forgetting that you need to treat many in order to save money on one. There have been many studies showing that except for some very high risk categories such a treatment is not cost-saving. BTW - if you are going to look up such studies keep in mind the differece between cost-effectiveness and cost-saving. A measure is considered cost-effective if the cost of quality-adjusted life year gained is under 50K. While this is worthwhile, it doesn&#039;t mean the measure is cost-saving.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, they are talking about higher costs for people with hereditary issues, diabetes, cholesterol, even weight(high or low metabolism at the very least) can all be passed on down the family tree&#8221;<br
/> This is exactly my problem with plans such as this. There are many people (myself included)who are slim, active, eating right and exercizing regularly who nevertheless cannot get LDL below 130 without drugs because of heredity. I am not sure that a signed letter from a doctor would work in this case &#8211; they could just say &#8211; &#8220;take statins&#8221;. But this would be a) direct interference in our right to refuse medication b) ill-advised in cases where the overall 10-year heart attack risk is low. For example, say your absolute 10-year risk of heart attack is only 1% even with LDL over 130. Let&#8217;s say statins can reduce this risk by 30%. 30% of 1% is only .3% and that in 10 years; is this small probability of benefit really higher than the equally small risk of side effects? c) expensive &#8211; consider how many people in low risk category will be treated with prescription drugs for how many years to prevent one case of heart attack.</p><p>Moreover, I doubt this plan is going to save Clarian money (except for smoking policy &#8211; this is probably the only cost saving measure). Even with obesity things are far from clear if you consider possible results of such a policy in real life. Diet conseling will cost money; some people may go on unhealthy crash diets, some will engage in exercise that may be a bit too much &#8211; this will increase risk of injury &#8211; $$$. Some will take drugs. Not all obese people get diabetes or are sick. So, you still need to consider how much they&#8217;ll spend on several people in order to save money on one person. But the plan is bound to cause some otherwise healthy low-risk people to take prescription drugs, and this is going to be expensive.</p><p>People often confuse absolute risk reduction with relative risk reduction; it is important to understand the difference. It is also important to understand how many people need to be treated for how many years for one person to benefit when you consider cost (NNT &#8211; number needed to treat, I am surprise a health company like Clarian doesn&#8217;t understand basic epidemiology). It is easy to say &#8220;it is cheaper to give people prescription drugs than to treat a heart attack&#8221;, but when you say it you are forgetting that you need to treat many in order to save money on one. There have been many studies showing that except for some very high risk categories such a treatment is not cost-saving. BTW &#8211; if you are going to look up such studies keep in mind the differece between cost-effectiveness and cost-saving. A measure is considered cost-effective if the cost of quality-adjusted life year gained is under 50K. While this is worthwhile, it doesn&#8217;t mean the measure is cost-saving.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Sunday Review #43</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2639</link> <dc:creator>The Sunday Review #43</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2639</guid> <description>[...] Can Your Healthcare Costs Go Up If YouÂ’re Obese? by Glblguy @ Gather Little by Little. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Can Your Healthcare Costs Go Up If YouÂ’re Obese? by Glblguy @ Gather Little by Little. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sunday Money Roundup - Thank You Boston Red Sox Edition. &#124; My Two Dollars</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2640</link> <dc:creator>Sunday Money Roundup - Thank You Boston Red Sox Edition. &#124; My Two Dollars</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2640</guid> <description>[...] Gather Little By Little discusses increased health insurance costs if you are obese. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gather Little By Little discusses increased health insurance costs if you are obese. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stuff Worth Reading, Because the Robot Uprising Is Near! &#124; Punny Money</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2637</link> <dc:creator>Stuff Worth Reading, Because the Robot Uprising Is Near! &#124; Punny Money</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2637</guid> <description>[...] Little By Little explains that some new laws allow companies to charge more for health insurance if you&#8217;re fat. If you think that&#8217;s bad, wait until robots take over; your health insurance will skyrocket [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Little By Little explains that some new laws allow companies to charge more for health insurance if you&#8217;re fat. If you think that&#8217;s bad, wait until robots take over; your health insurance will skyrocket [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: glblguy</title><link>http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2635</link> <dc:creator>glblguy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gatherlittlebylittle.com/2007/10/16/can-your-healthcase-costs-go-up-if-youre-obese/#comment-2635</guid> <description>@ LV Lawyer - I agree!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ LV Lawyer &#8211; I agree!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
